Vin­cent, Elio and Michael recorded this episode be­fore an au­di­ence at the 2013 Gen­eral Meet­ing of the Amer­i­can So­ci­ety for Mi­cro­bi­ol­ogy in Den­ver, Col­orado, where they spoke with An­drew, Fer­ric, Suzanne, and Michelle about their re­search on a phage sys­tem for evad­ing in­nate im­mu­nity, re­trac­tions of re­search pa­pers, bac­te­r­ial in­fec­tions of the eye, and cy­to­plas­mic de­fenses against in­tra­cel­lu­lar bac­te­ria.