Talmudic Question #79

What's your guess as to the number of different kinds of viruses that can infect a single species on average?

What's your guess as to the number of different kinds of viruses that can infect a single species on average?
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Not to play semantics, but I think this may all depend on what we mean by "kind." 🙂
Are viruses with slight genetic rearrangements (but 99.9% nucleic acid identity) a different kind? (as proposed by the mosaicism model) If so, then I would have to say there is a huge number (near infinite?) of different kinds of viruses per host species.
If we were to define "kind" as the different groups within the Baltimore classification scheme, then I would say there would be considerably less per species, on average. Consider the mycobacterial species; to date (and to my knowledge) only dsDNA viruses have been found, and only podo- or sipho- viridae members at that. Though, I'm sure one could make an argument for selection bias here, it is still quite striking to see a lack of any other type of phage found for these species.
as good a guess as any.
Thanks,
Elio
That's what I call a nuanced answer. Thanks for sharing your insights.
Too broad a question, I believe...I can't answer that question as it has been presently formulated to this faithful smallthinger. I think that would be better to specify which type of organism are we speaking of: species of prokaryotes? Or are we including too eukaryotes? And if we include eukaryotes, only unicellular ones or also pluricellular. As we know, in the last case, things get complicated because the different kinds of cells of a pluricellular eukaryote have, each type, a variety of viruses able to infect them...
Going further than I should go because I am not the person who has addressed the question, let us assume we're speaking only of prokaryotic species. But here too, things get also complicated because the prokaryotic species ‑as we usually accept being defined‑,includes a lot of different strains, and that "a lot" can be an awful "a lot". And each strain may have, and usualy has,a specific complement of viruses able to attack it. So... What do we do: do we restrict the whole thing to a single strain ? But even if we do so, we must take the time dimension out of the story, because prokaryotic strains have a well known and active genetic dynamics that without doubt affects its viral susceptibility.
And last but not least: What do we mean when we say "different kinds of viruses"? I mean: considering e.g. bacteriophages, there may be lots and lots of different lambdoids, or of different myoviridae, or of different podoviridae, etc. Just think about the hypothetical different dsDNA sequences "using" a specific viral morphology, not to mention ssDNA ones, and the RNA ones.
Considering all of the above my guess is that the number of different kinds of viruses of a prokaryotic species may be a number very very big and in constant change, particularly if we include into the equation the time (+ the environment of course) and with the time, the intrinsic genetic dynamics of the prokaryotic "species".
In that area of thinking, would it have sense asking how many different prokaryotic "species" a pleiotropic virus could infect? The answer to that question has a lot to do with all of the above. I think.
Francisco T.
hmm thats kinda a math question...and im bad at math ^_^
Well i guess around 1000 if i look to Phages there are already a bunch that just infect ecoli...and thats just the ones we know of.
so thats my uneducated guess^^
Perhaps an easier question to answer would be what is the largest number of viruses that can infect a given species at one time. Again, of course, it would depend on what kind of host organism we are talking about. But for adult humans, it is extremely common for an average healthy individual to be chronically infected with at least 6 herpesviruses, several torque tenoviruses, polyomaviruses JC and BK, papillomaviruses that come and go, and of course several hundred human endogenous retroviruses. Add to that the not so unusual HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C virus co-infection and transient respiratory viruses and you have a rather crowded host.
Francisco,
You are wise to point up that Talmudic Questions aren't always straightforward, not do they tend to be simple. Yes, defining the systems is necessary to come up with reasonably believable numbers. But bringing up the issues that you did serves the purpose of posting such questions, which is to bring up the issues involved and to think about them. Many thanks,
Elio
Alicen,
Being good or bad at math has little to do with this, so you are entitled to pipe in as much as an advanced mathematician. So your guess is as good as any.
Elio
Maybe the Dunbar's number =150.
Why not?
Elio