Tal­mu­dic Ques­tion #76

Do you think that our species is ex­empt from "kill-the-win­ner" preda­tor-prey dy­nam­ics? (KTW is the col­lo­quial term for the cycli­cal dy­namic by which phages pro­mote com­mu­nity even­ness by re­duc­ing the num­bers of the most abun­dant bac­te­r­ial strains.)  

 

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barry
15 years ago

Not from Phage, but be­fore Pe­tro­leum, we were pe­ri­od­i­cally sus­cepi­ble to pop­u­la­tion col­lapse due to our pop­u­la­tion dense lifestyles en­cour­ag­ing epi­demics, and our sym­bi­otic re­la­tion­ship to monocrop grasses. I sup­pose we are still sus­cep­ti­ble. Our pop­u­la­tion boom has only been here for 10 to 40 thou­sand years.

15 years ago

On a smaller scale than that to which the above com­ment refers, how about con­sid­er­ing in­di­vid­ual, iso­lated groups. Fam­i­lies that are suc­cess­ful enough to out­com­pete other fam­i­lies are then prone to demise from in­breed­ing. Mid­dle east­ern rul­ing fam­i­lies, any­one?
Hi, Erika,
In­deed, this same no­tion can be ap­plied at many dif­fer­ent lev­els, dri­ven by many dif­fer­ent mech­a­nisms. How­ever, at least in a bi­o­log­i­cal con­text, kill-the-win­ner specif­i­cally refers to the cycli­cal dy­nam­ics of preda­tors and their prey. An in­crease in the prey pop­u­la­tion (the win­ners) leads to an in­crease in the preda­tor pop­u­la­tion, and the nu­mer­ous preda­tors then re­duce the prey pop­u­la­tion. With fewer prey, the preda­tors in turn die back to a smaller pop­u­la­tion, al­low­ing the prey pop­u­la­tion to in­crease once again. So al­though in-breed­ing could lead to a de­cline in those fam­i­lies, this is not kill-the-win­ner dy­nam­ics.
Merry

15 years ago

I think the abun­dance of hu­man pathogens that pop up in over-pop­u­lated, over-cropped, over-lived ar­eas is a good in­di­ca­tion that our pop­u­la­tion con­trol is out of our hands (and has been for thou­sands of years)!
Like SARS, if there's a virus that does not in­fect hu­mans, it has the abil­ity to evolve and quickly jump to hu­mans, es­pe­cially if there is a greater num­ber of peo­ple around. Just like phage that have tro­pism for spe­cific bac­te­r­ial species — if there is a great num­ber of that species around the phage, it will even­tu­ally evolve mech­a­nisms to in­vade that new species.

Merry
15 years ago

Barry and Brooke,
Right on! We're a young species, and our pop­u­la­tion den­sity con­tin­ues to in­crease, like­wise our de­pen­dence on high-den­sity monocrops. Add to that mod­ern travel car­ry­ing any bug around the globe in a mat­ter of days, if not hours, the mil­lions of up­rooted refugees, and the in­creas­ing num­ber of peo­ple liv­ing with­out safe wa­ter to drink, and we seem to be cre­at­ing op­por­tu­ni­ties for both viruses and Bac­te­ria. Nei­ther are known to let op­por­tu­ni­ties pass by.

Mark
14 years ago

I wouldn't say that we as a species are ex­empt from kill-the-win­ner dy­nam­ics, but we are cer­tainly test­ing it. Af­ter all, we bring some­thing to the ta­ble which no other species does: our in­tel­li­gence and tech­nol­ogy. Of course, preda­tors are not the biggest threat to the hu­man race. We are as likely to ex­haust our re­sources and poi­son our en­vi­ron­ment with waste prod­ucts thus threat­en­ing our own ex­is­tence (as yeast does in fer­men­ta­tion) be­fore a mi­cro­bial preda­tor takes us out.