Tal­mu­dic Ques­tion #25

by guest au­thor Bill Mar­tin

This is our first mul­ti­ple-part ques­tion.

If one be­lieves (as some out there do) that there was a free-liv­ing LUCA (Last Uni­ver­sal Com­mon An­ces­tor), then what kind of lipids did it have?

I. If eu­bac­te­r­ial, then ex­plain why it would evolve the ar­chae­bac­te­r­ial type in the pres­ence of a good lipid syn­the­sis so­lu­tion. (Bonus ques­tion: And why was that only done once?)

II. If ar­chae­bac­te­r­ial, then re­turn to I) for the con­verse so­lu­tion (with bonus).

III. If both, ex­plain why we do not in­voke dif­fer­en­tial loss for every­thing that dis­tin­guishes ar­chae­bac­te­ria from eu­bac­te­ria, and ex­plain what is wrong with Ford Doolittle's strong Genome of Eden ar­gu­ment, while re­call­ing that LGT (lat­eral gene trans­fer) only ex­plains sim­i­lar­i­ties, not dif­fer­ences (an in­ter­est­ing ob­ser­va­tion).

IV. If none, sug­gest what might have served to con­tain or­gan­ics from their en­vi­ron­ment en route to self repli­ca­tion, re­call­ing the so-called con­cen­tra­tion prob­lem (mol­e­cules must meet to re­act).

V. If dis­sat­is­fied with I‑IV, sug­gest where the LUCA might have got go­ing as a non-free-liv­ing en­tity.

VI. If dis­gusted with all of the fore­go­ing, sug­gest a so­lu­tion to com­part­men­ta­tion from the en­vi­ron­ment and the uni­ver­sal­ity of chemios­mo­sis (ex­cept in a few de­rived fer­menters that live off autrotrophs) that cir­cum­vents I‑V, re­call­ing that ther­mo­dy­nam­ics is not just a good idea, it's the law. Put an­other way, ther­mo­dy­nam­ics is as close as it gets to a gen­uine log­i­cal con­straint in bi­ol­ogy.

VII. If this leads you into ori­gin of life lit­er­a­ture, ex­plain why it is writ­ten mostly by chemists and physi­cists who, by trade, do not un­der­stand much about mi­crobes (their ex­planan­dum).

VIII. Al­ter­na­tively, for­mu­late a bet­ter ques­tion.
 

Bill is at the Botan­i­cal In­sti­tute III, Uni­ver­sity of Düs­sel­dorf

 

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david lipson
18 years ago

I can only of­fer fee­ble spec­u­la­tions. It's a slip­pery slope, but here I go: Imag­ine an early phase of pre-Dar­win­ian evo­lu­tion (Doolit­tle and Brown 1994, PNAS), where phe­no­type was not yet tightly cou­pled to geno­type, es­pe­cially for lipids. Imag­ine early bi­otic re­ac­tions en­cap­su­lated in ran­dom, spon­ta­neously as­sem­bling lipid en­velopes. (Lipid bi­lay­ers form spon­ta­neously, but ri­bo­somes and poly­merases take a lit­tle more plan­ning). Af­ter ri­bo­somes and trans­la­tion de­vel­oped, true lin­eages be­come pos­si­ble. An early Ar­chaean fore­bearer stum­bles onto genes that al­low con­sis­tent pro­duc­tion of tetraether lipids, which al­lows them to sur­vive in stu­pidly hot en­vi­ron­ments, lead­ing to rapid ra­di­a­tion. the Ur Bac­terium stum­bles upon its own unique so­lu­tion, and takes off in a dif­fer­ent di­rec­tion (in the re­main­ing niches in­clud­ing every­thing be­low about 100 C). Both ap­proaches were clearly suc­cess­ful, so it would be hard for fur­ther in­no­va­tions to have com­peted once these lin­eages be­came es­tab­lished.
So the an­swer to what type of lipids did the LUCA have is: Soup of the Day!

Gulliver
18 years ago

Re­mem­ber dur­ing this fas­ci­nat­ing con­ver­sa­tion that ge­ol­ogy did not wait for life (au con­traire of course). That is, one has to ex­pect that gobs of soup were of­ten buried in sed­i­ment and ex­humed; that bur­ial would mix your or­ganic mol­e­cules up with clays, sul­fides, di­a­ge­netic stuff (dif­fu­sion re­ac­tions and mak­ing con­cre­tions and all sorts of ra­dial and den­dritic min­eral pat­terns). Maybe there were lots of tri­als, two sur­vivors at op­po­site poles and no one LUCA, as sug­gested by Lip­son.

Paul Orwin
18 years ago

I wish I had some­thing re­ally smart to say about this! A hugely in­ter­est­ing ques­tion to me, but one I'm ut­terly un­qual­i­fied to even start an­swer­ing.
Still, that never stops me...I think one is­sue to con­front is the dif­fi­culty of the LUCA idea, and how it in­ter­sects with the world that was. When I think about this, it helps me to think about "mi­to­chon­dr­ial eve", and the no­tion that every­one on earth has a com­mon an­ces­tor x kya (not sure what x is, maybe 40–50?). This ob­vi­ously doesn't mean that there was just one per­son — a ba­nal state­ment that bears on our more in­ter­est­ing dis­cus­sion! The Uni­ver­sal Com­mon An­ces­tor doesn't need to have been a mono­cul­ture! There may be many things that lived that do not have liv­ing prog­eny in the cur­rent world (that we know of...). So, this leaves us with the in­ter­est­ing ques­tion of just how weird they might have been.
Re­turn­ing to the ques­tion at hand. I have al­ways been baf­fled by the seem­ing para­dox of dif­fer­ent lipids be­tween Eubacteria/Eukarya on one side and Ar­chaea on the other, com­bined with closer re­la­tion­ships at the gene ex­pres­sion level be­tween eu­karya and ar­chaea. It seems to me eas­ier to be­lieve that there might have been a pe­riod of time where lipid bi­lay­ers were pro­duced con­tain­ing both types of link­ages? I'm not a bio­chemist, so maybe these would be un­sta­ble for some rea­son I don't know, but it doesn't seem like a big prob­lem. So, if the LUCA had both types of link­age, it could then have lost one or the other.
So I guess I come down in fa­vor of III. We can't use dif­fer­en­tial loss to ex­plain all the dif­fer­ences, be­cause it is much harder to en­vi­sion hav­ing two ex­ten­sive, com­plex, and sep­a­rate sys­tems for con­trol­ling tran­scrip­tion, but much eas­ier to en­vi­sion lipid syn­the­sis genes with re­dun­dancy.
It also seems to me that the ar­chaeal mem­brane might have added sta­bil­ity com­pared to the eubact/eukaryote mem­brane be­cause of it's chem­istry (again, not a bio­chemist!). So or­gan­isms with ei­ther ma­chin­ery might have been at a dis­ad­van­tage to an or­gan­ism with both phos­pho­lipid types in cer­tain en­vi­ron­ments. Also, we as­sume based on cur­rent sin­gle celled or­gan­isms that car­ry­ing ex­tra DNA is a fit­ness bur­den, but maybe it wasn't back then? If we as­sume that LUCA had Ar­chaeal lipids and Eu­bac­te­r­ial lipids, and Ar­chaeal txn ma­chin­ery, we still have to fig­ure out where Eu­bac­te­r­ial txn came from. I've got no idea! I'll have to read that pa­per be­fore I com­ment fur­ther, though!